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9Tails

Clarification on Ninja Tools

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I understand that Ninja Tools are going to be taking the trinket spot and this concerns me for one primary reason

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Ninja Tool Based Shinobi.

I worry that people wanting to build their character to be like Ten-Ten or Aoi Rokusho won't have the freedom other Shinobi do because of Ninja Tools trinket classification. If we're going to classify Ninja Tools as trinkets then we need to ensure that there will be Ninja Tool Spells/Abilities despite some having individual items occupying the trinket slot, I understand how this might not be ideal because it could cause confusion (i.e: which Ninja Tools, the trinket or the spell, they're different.) but I still think it's something needed despite that - this might be something the team has already thought of, and I'd assume it is, but I still felt the need to ask for clarification or at the very least make it known that there is such an interest.

 

 

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I don’t disagree. I don’t personally have information on this but I do believe our team has some ideas in place. A developer would probably be more help than me 😅

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Ninja Tools will be taking the place of the trinket slots, limiting ninja to 2 at a time, and out of combat. These are meant to have combat altering effects that are continuously needed to be purchased or crafted. 

 

However, like most things in SS, we have a decent system on paper. Having 2 ninja tools won't restrict playstyles as those, because in the future we can introduce trinkets that are meant for such playstyles. For example, whenever puppetry is introduced, we will release "Chakra Threads" as a Ninja Tools- requiring you to equip 2 Chakra Threads as your trinkets to even be able to use puppetry. 

To directly answer your Ten Ten question.. most likely we will have like... "Great Ninja Tool Scroll" as a Ninja Tool which allows for using of ten ten style abilities, but reduces your chakra by an amount to balance the tradeoff of having higher level. ninja tools. Hope that made somewhat sense. 

 

Balance is a big thing we're trying to go for here. Jutsu have counterplay, pros will always have cons. You have to use your ninja mind to overcome your opponents. 

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2 minutes ago, Vlad said:

Ninja Tools will be taking the place of the trinket slots, limiting ninja to 2 at a time, and out of combat. These are meant to have combat altering effects that are continuously needed to be purchased or crafted. 

 

However, like most things in SS, we have a decent system on paper. Having 2 ninja tools won't restrict playstyles as those, because in the future we can introduce trinkets that are meant for such playstyles. For example, whenever puppetry is introduced, we will release "Chakra Threads" as a Ninja Tools- requiring you to equip 2 Chakra Threads as your trinkets to even be able to use puppetry. 

To directly answer your Ten Ten question.. most likely we will have like... "Great Ninja Tool Scroll" as a Ninja Tool which allows for using of ten ten style abilities, but reduces your chakra by an amount to balance the tradeoff of having higher level. ninja tools. Hope that made somewhat sense. 

 

Balance is a big thing we're trying to go for here. Jutsu have counterplay, pros will always have cons. You have to use your ninja mind to overcome your opponents. 

I wonder how well that will work, because theoretically you could have a "generic" build and then just have Great Ninja Tool Scroll and really negate the specialty of it - I think with significant trinkets like that you have to restrict other abilities and spells if it's equipped, otherwise it really loses it's gimmick.

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1 minute ago, 9Tails said:

I wonder how well that will work, because theoretically you could have a "generic" build and then just have Great Ninja Tool Scroll and really negate the specialty of it - I think with significant trinkets like that you have to restrict other abilities and spells if it's equipped, otherwise it really loses it's gimmick.

I agree, hence why I'm willing to cut the ninja's chakra significantly per ninja tool scroll. You are able to alternate ninja tools out of combat, so you will have to "git gud" if you want a broad skill with ninja tools in general (which is going to be an extensive skilltype)  

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1 minute ago, Vlad said:

I agree, hence why I'm willing to cut the ninja's chakra significantly per ninja tool scroll. You are able to alternate ninja tools out of combat, so you will have to "git gud" if you want a broad skill with ninja tools in general (which is going to be an extensive skilltype)  

Mhm, I just don't know if chakra limits will be able to be balanced well enough to make it reasonable, especially if people with "Gentle Fist" are around and can fuck with your chakra, and IMO that doesn't make much sense in the context of ninja tools like Ten-Ten's.

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1 minute ago, 9Tails said:

Mhm, I just don't know if chakra limits will be able to be balanced well enough to make it reasonable, especially if people with "Gentle Fist" are around and can fuck with your chakra, and IMO that doesn't make much sense in the context of ninja tools like Ten-Ten's.

Balancing certainly is a challenge, but it does get a lot of attention with specific staff dedicated for this solely. Rest assured that it will be well taken care of, and even if it happens to not go accordingly - we are very close with our community and are open for amendments. =]

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3 minutes ago, 9Tails said:

Mhm, I just don't know if chakra limits will be able to be balanced well enough to make it reasonable, especially if people with "Gentle Fist" are around and can fuck with your chakra, and IMO that doesn't make much sense in the context of ninja tools like Ten-Ten's.

The reason for the chakra cut is to directly prevent you from using big jutsu, and limiting the total amount of elemental jutsu you are able to use in that encounter. Hyuuga will directly counter most jutsu users if they can get within range, so the "jack of all trades" playstyle will not exist. There will be direct counters to playstyles you choose to a degree

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Just now, Gogo said:

Balancing certainly is a challenge, but it does get a lot of attention with specific staff dedicated for this solely. Rest assured that it will be well taken care of, and even if it happens to not go accordingly - we are very close with our community and are open for amendments. =]

If it's not good is it okay if we all pick up a stick and beat @Aetherweaver?

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Just now, Vlad said:

The reason for the chakra cut is to directly prevent you from using big jutsu, and limiting the total amount of elemental jutsu you are able to use in that encounter. Hyuuga will directly counter most jutsu users if they can get within range, so the "jack of all trades" playstyle will not exist. There will be direct counters to playstyles you choose to a degree

I understand that, but in the context of Ninja Tool Specialists and Hyuuga I don't know how accurate that is, I certainly understand the Hyuuga being a defensive powerhouse against projectiles, but as an offensive force I feel like they would particularly affect Ninja Tool Specialists with the chakra cut opposed to "full" chakra shinobi, which doesn't really make sense to me.

 

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